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Bestemor
July 25, 2008 at 7:33am
I am so thankful that I have met a GOD who does not measure out dollops of Grace to a few but pours it out abundantly for all.  May we do the same.  Thank you.
Ken
July 25, 2008 at 7:58am
Eric, thank you for your continued witness on this.  I don't know what we should do with this, I really don't.  I agree that it is fear of conflict, fear of change, fear of something that is keeping this in a holding pattern... but how to break the pattern without breaking fellowship?  Can we learn something more specific from St. Mark Church about this?  Not just the stance they have taken, but how they got there in one piece?
Kathy
July 25, 2008 at 9:04am
Have Christians become so familiar with the words grace and love that we have lost touch with the actual concept the words represent?  Ken asks a great question:  How, with all the polarization within our churches, does a local church reach St. Mark's point without spliting?  I imagine it must have been practicing such grace before it ever put the words on paper.  Grace and Peace to you and your church!    
ESchmitz
July 25, 2008 at 2:49pm
I asked about that. I am told that it took one very committed member of their Church Council to make the proposal, educate the Council and inform the congregants, and that the resolution passed without opposition at a congregational meeting. I am told that 4 families left as a result of the decision. The learning point for me -- having the advantage, perhaps, of knowing St. Mark somewhat (about 15 years) -- is that St. Mark has always had strong lay leadership, even when it has had difficulties -- and that lay leadership has always held a very strong passion for justice. If one were to view St. Mark and Immanuel in tandem, they probably look like bookends -- one socailly and economically conservative, one socially 'liberal' and economically conservative. perhaps the social liberalism, combined with faculty in the membership, create a climate of acceptance -- you know, when I was a student they kept the doors open at night for us -- despite the risks, it was more important to be open and welcome.

By no means do I mean to compare one congregation with another, saying this one is good, better, best, or vice-versa. But I do think it appropriate to draw comparisons in how these churches relate to mission and to community. And, here, I'll be blunt. We have so-called leaders who will trash other churches and faith expressions without hesitation -- it is a minority for sure -- but that we allow it without comment places the shame of this sin on all of us. We could stand -- honestly -- to lose a few families.

There really ought to be mainstream churches which can open their doors wide, and to my mind, the Lutheran church is well suited to take a leadership role. But not as long as we behave like fearful, prideful, stupid people.
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